Apple to introduce the first ARM-powered Macs on November 17


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JDK, 31 minutes agoNo, you were comparing ARM mobile processors that are designed to be on laptops/phones with x8… moreI don’t think people were comparing apples to apples. No pun intended. They way I understood it people were bragging how ARM just solves all the problems everywhere. Also I have doubts ARM will be better just across the board. Apple can afford such stuff because they own their ecosystem. If they decided to run everything on a potato and everyone will have to follow or be left behind. Microsoft on the other hand doesn’t own the x86 ecosystem, they just happen to have the largest consumer OS built on it. They don’t dictate how ecosystem evolves, at least not in direct way as Apple does. If Microsoft decide to go all out with ARM, there is no way ANYONE will follow that. It’s why they are struggling with x86 and ARM split markets/ecosystems and they just can’t get things to work. Apple made emulation work because they dictate how things work, what API’s will be available and all that. Microsoft doesn’t. Not only that, Apple also designs own chips to work best with their software. Microsoft again doesn’t have that luxury and has to rely on off the shelf components like Qualcomm Snapdragon chipsets that are used in some Surface devices. People just think you just throw in ARM and everything just magically gets better. Maybe with Apple, but this sure as hell won’t work with pretty much anyone else.

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RejZoR, 51 minutes agoAnd that’s literally my point. People just making wild assumptions how ARM will just dest… moreNo, you were comparing ARM mobile processors that are designed to be on laptops/phones with x86 desktop processors that sit on the desk and don’t go anywhere.

What they meant by “destroy everything in it’s path” is that it will destroy other laptops with x86, not that ARM mobile will destroy x86 desktop. That comparison would be unfair since desktops don’t have to worry about battery life.

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JDK, 3 hours agoYeah. You expect a laptop-class a14x to compete with those chonky ultra-heavy CPUs?

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And that’s literally my point. People just making wild assumptions how ARM will just destroy everything in its path at anything you throw at it. You can’t just assume something just scales into infinity just because it works great in low power designs. AMD Vega GPU cores are super efficient at lower clocks and have huge compute power. But you can see from RX Vega 64 card design how scaling works in reality. That super efficiency when small turned into massive heat and power consumption issue and it wasn’t that fast in the end. Intel had similar issues with Pentium 4 back in the day.

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Anonymous, 3 hours agoYup you admitted it, you haven’t seen a proper 16 core processor in ARM 😉 and along with … moreYeah, I haven’t seen one. Have you? Coz no one uses them on desktop systems in high power configurations. It’s all phones, tablets and laptops. Which are always low power configurations.

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It’s been said by Apple that all their iOS apps would be compatible with their ARM powered laptops. But, this would become meaningful only if their laptops employ touch screen interfaces with Stylus support. To be precise, I am really interested.

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If it can edit 4k video with included video editing app, if I can get fee and native Python, Java and C IDE, if i has 16GB RAM, then I’m in.

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Annas, 10 hours agoSorry, but i see you are without any knowledge
Apple is doing this for over 4 years !
Those … more
What the heck are you reading out of your own fantasy ? What has Surface Pro got to do with anything or what has gaming have to do anything that there are laptops that are made to run on Snapdragon 835 processor that is same like you have in a mobile phone ? And 4 years apple have done it is like a big deal while SD835 is around 5 years old too.

You dont exactly show off that you have much of more knowledge about anything if you start of insulting and then start to talk about different things and about gaming and what not. I dont think these apple ARM powered Macs can run any good AAA game anyways if they even have access to these games as there are not much games out there that port to Macs too and never mind that these things are not even made for gaming

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This could be a game changer but not because of CPU instruction set.

The game changer here is an always online 5G laptop and being able to make and receive calls from the device. Seeing that ms keeps screwing this up on their surface line.

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RejZoR, 3 hours agoAgain MOBILE parts. Those usually go up to 45W. Giving chips additional 60W is like bolting an… moreYeah. You expect a laptop-class a14x to compete with those chonky ultra-heavy CPUs?

Professionals don’t need 5G connectivity anyways.

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Payas, 3 hours agoYup A14 and it’s subsequent iterations can definitely challenge 28 core Xeon processor an… moreIt’s quite funny how many people are being dismissive about the performance of Apple’s SoC compared to higher end desktop i series or Xeon series Intel processors, despite not having seen their 16-32 CPU core implementations AT ALL yet. This first batch of Apple Silicon Macs with 8-12 cores will be a good opportunity for them to showcase what they are really capable of.

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RejZoR, 3 hours agoAgain MOBILE parts. Those usually go up to 45W. Giving chips additional 60W is like bolting an… moreYup you admitted it, you haven’t seen a proper 16 core processor in ARM 😉 and along with proper native desktop apps.

Apple is already planning a 12 core and 16 core Desktop class ARM Processors for iMacs with higher power limit.

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JDK, 3 hours agoa12z already on par with intel core i7.

iPad pro: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/421… more
Yup A14 and it’s subsequent iterations can definitely challenge 28 core Xeon processor and put them to absolute shame on Power Efficiency.

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A transition to Apple Silicon will not only gives the main audience of Apple users (= Creative professionals) a huge benefit in a long run, but also forces Intel and AMD to stay awake and not to become lazy with lithography/architecture improvements. It should also pressure MS to be more serious about ARM version of Windows whose situation is quite frankly laughable at this moment. It’s a win-win for us end consumers, and I’m keen to see what Apple will bring to the table next month.

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JDK, 3 hours agoa12z already on par with intel core i7.

iPad pro: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/421… more
Again MOBILE parts. Those usually go up to 45W. Giving chips additional 60W is like bolting another 60W desktop chip on top of that 45W. People don’t seem to comprehend how much compute muscle something like desktop Ryzen 3950X has. At 105W. Again, ARM is great for low power usage and huge clusters of low power chips. As a single unit, they can’t quite compete with x86 chips. I haven’t seen a 16 cores high power ARM yet. It’s always something with smaller core count and way smaller power envelope.

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Android Authority, 5 hours agoUnder emulation..Lol, lemme know when real world results come out.
Are there even any games t… more
Who needs a Braaaawd portfolio?

Apple has superior first party and 3rd party apps.

Even if Mac users are 8-10 percent of total laptop and Desktop markt, it’s constantly being maintained throughout the decades.

Many professionals use Mac along with powerful Xeon Processors, A series is expected to replace Xeon processors.

It’s not magic but Apple doubles Processor power every 3 years, Intel took 6 years to double the perfomance for desktop.

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Anonymous, 7 hours agoWhen a 2 year old 5W A12z under emulation is faster than 45W Intel 😂😂😂

The Future is ARM+RI… more
Under emulation..Lol, lemme know when real world results come out.

Are there even any games to take advantage of that Power? or a broad portfolio of applications as we se on Windows?

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Apple can finally have its own native CPU after decades of using other companies’ processors–Motorola and, later, Intel. Hope Apple can make the best of it.

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J, 7 hours agoThis could be a game changer but not because of CPU instruction set.

The game changer here … more
Well said

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This could be a game changer but not because of CPU instruction set.

The game changer here is an always online 5G laptop and being able to make and receive calls from the device. Seeing that ms keeps screwing this up on their surface line.



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